Tuesday 7 July 2015

England World Cup Training Squad - Who's Making the Cut? Part 2


Another few days have passed and we're another few days closer to finding out who will make up England's squad for the first home World Cup in 24 years. I've filled the time by watching AC/DC at Wembley, and now I have a sore neck - however, my entirely righteous thoughts of self-pity quickly dissipated when I saw what the England boys are going through in their World Cup camp in 30 degree heat. It looks brutal. I genuinely think Dan Cole has melted.

Again, there are more big decisions to be made, and more that I will undoubtedly change my mind about later. Like in my last article, where I picked Burrell but excluded Eastmond - I've changed my mind again on that. But, I have to put my money somewhere, so check out below to see who makes the rest of my World Cup squad.


Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints)

I like to think that most opposition teams wince when they hear Courtney's name announced in any line-up, and for that reason alone he gets in. Not only that, but his lineout work and discipline have improved considerably to compliment his athleticism and power in defence, and I expect he'll end up one of the first names on the teamsheet.

VERDICT: IN





Joe Launchbury (Wasps)

Yes, he may look like Cupid's older brother, but the cherub-faced Launchbury is one mean player. His comeback from injury was eye-catching, displaying that superb mobility, offloading ability and breakdown technique that have become hallmarks of his play, and if he continues his rehabilitation, he'll be a starter for sure. And, to be frank, the season out with injury will probably do him good in the long-term.

VERDICT: IN
Joe Marler (Harlequins)
By all accounts, big Joe is a little weird...but you can't knock his development into one of the best looseheads in the northern hemisphere. He remains impressively mobile around the park and is a real force in the set piece these days, having fully taken his opportunity when handed to him.

VERDICT: IN
Jonny May (Gloucester)

Jonny May is probably one of the most infuriating players in the game. Blessed with searing speed, he is capable of tearing teams apart, as he did to the All Blacks last year - but I bet you, like any England fan, have shouted 'bloody run straight' (or words to that effect) at the TV at least twice when the ball is in his hands. Some supporters say if you don't know where you're going, then the opponent certainly won't, but I just don't trust a headless chicken.

VERDICT: OUT


Ben Morgan (Gloucester)

Big Ben was having a superb season until breaking his leg, but by all accounts is looking in great shape and is set to play a full part in the warm up games. Assuming his leg is back in working order, he's a certainty to be included - with Lancaster's choice then being who starts at number 8. I would venture that Morgan has the better skill set than Billy Vunipola, but it's a great dilemma to have.




VERDICT: IN


Matt Mullan (Wasps)

Perhaps I'm a tad harsh, but I always used to think there was a bit too much of the 'Paul Doran-Jones' about Matt Mullan - I generally thought he wasn't really good enough for international rugby. He's proven me wrong though this year, becoming a destructive scrummager in a vastly improved Wasps pack and maintaining impressive versatility in the loose. For me, he's battling it out for the 5th prop spot with Corbisiero - but I think the Saints' man's experience of the big occasion may just way in his favour at Mullan's expense.

VERDICT: OUT


Stephen Myler (Northampton Saints)

Please can we have a show of hands for who genuinely gets excited of the idea of Stephen Myler pulling the strings in the 10 shirt for England? Didn't think there'd be many. If you do have your hand up, put it down for goodness sake, you look weird. Look, Myler is a great club fly-half, he is reliable and accurate - but how often to we really see him take a big game by the scruff of a neck? Not quite international quality, in my opinion.

VERDICT: OUT


Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs)

I've already had words with Jack about his rat's tail, so I'll leave his barnet out of the equation here, but the Chiefs man has had a very impressive return from injury for club and country. He may not be the quickest and I still think his defensive positioning needs work, but he is powerful, has great feet, and always seems to make a half break, partly because he is always looking to attack. I like his positivity and, when you chuck in the fact that he's comfortable in the 13/15 shirt too, he's a shoe-in.

VERDICT: IN

Geoff Parling (Leicester Tigers)

Despite being a relative late bloomer in terms of realising his potential - only following his move to Tigers, really - big Geoff has achieved a lot: Premiership Titles, a successful Lions Tour, an England stalwart and, most importantly, he beat Jonny Depp and George Clooney to win 'Sexiest Beard of the Year' in 2013. Despite enduring an injury-plagued season, Parling has the experience, leadership and facial hair qualities that the England squad will need.

VERDICT: IN


Chris Robshaw (Harlequins)

He's the captain. So he's in. Sigh, fine, I'll say some more - he is statistically the best 7 in the northern hemisphere in terms of internationals, so he's in. By that I mean he had more carries, more more tackles and, aside from Blair Cowan, more turnovers than any other openside in the Six Nations, so if I hear a claim that he's "not a true seven", I will dust off my slapping gloves. He's earned the right to lead the country at the World Cup and the balance of the back-row, particularly when Haskell is at 6, is key to England's chances.

VERDICT: IN


Semesa Rokoduguni (Bath)

'Roko' started the season in electric form, with some comically good steps and dazzling footwork lighting up the Premiership. But then England decided to ease him gently into international rugby, by starting him on the wing against the All Blacks for his first cap. He didn't do anything wrong, but didn't do anything great either, and injury meant that he remains a 'one-cap wonder'. I don't think he'll be losing that tag anytime soon either - he's capable of moments of magic but also has a tendency to go missing in games.

VERDICT: OUT


Joe Simpson (Wasps)


There was a time when Joe Simpson was heralded as the next big thing, but injuries and a lack form saw his star fall away quicker than his hair. But it's back with a vengeance this time around - his star and his form that is, not his hair (sadly). He's worked hard to become reliable with his service and get his box-kicking up to scratch, but he's got that searing speed still which makes him such a huge threat around the breakdown. If he recovers from his knee-twinge and maintains his 2015 form, he sneaks in ahead of Care for me.

VERDICT: IN





Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs)

Speaking of golden boys, Henry Slade is rapidly shunting himself into that category. I admittedly dismissed him as a typical 'pretty boy' fly-half when I first saw him play. But then I saw him tackle Rene Ranger head on. With his face. And I thought, this kid has serious stones. Add to that a great natural awareness of the game, good feet, game management and a strong overall skillset, and you have a certain future England international. But not yet - a World Cup is not the right place for a debutant fly-half and - as several kicking malfunctions have shown - he might not be ready to deal with the intense pressure just yet.

VERDICT: OUT


Ed Slater (Leicester Tigers)


Despite being a shoe-in for the lead role should Desperate Dan ever follow the well-trodden comic-book movie path, Slater has more to his game than just raw physicality. Although that is mightily impressive, too. His understanding of the play, his lineout work and his leadership has seen him rank highly in the ranks of England coaches - but not highly enough to get an England cap yet, although he surely would have done this season before a knee-injury ruled him out. He'll be battling Attwood for that fourth lock spot and, whilst I think his ability to play 6 could help him, he may be a fraction undercooked for the World Cup - and he doesn't have the credit in the bank that Launchbury has.

VERDICT: OUT


Billy Twelvetrees (Gloucester)

In a similar way to Jonny May (maybe it's a Gloucester thing), Billy has that rare ability to infuriate England fans. On one hand, he has all the attributes to be a perfect inside centre - a booming boot, lightening fast and accurate passes, as well as being a powerful unit himself to offer an attacking threat. But he just doesn't do it on a regular basis - in fact, he seems to consistently combine moments of genuine quality with moments of fresh turd-ishness. And for that reason, I don't trust him on the big stage.

VERDICT: OUT


Mako Vunipola (Saracens)

The 'Mak-Attack' (another attempt at a nickname I have coined which hasn't really caught on) has been very impressive in the latter half of 2015. Like Marler, he has worked hard on his scrummaging and his work rate and impact in the loose remains seriously impressive - look no further than his all-action display against Bath in the final for proof. Although the size of his earlobes genuinely freak me out, he is a dead cert for the squad in my book, even if he doesn't start.

VERDICT: IN



Billy Vunipola (Saracens)

One of my criticisms of big Billy in previous years - in fact, as late as last year - was that he is not an 80 minute number 8. Of course, part of that is because he was being hauled off after 50 in most games, but I wasn't convinced he could make it in any event. But he has worked seriously hard to correct those views and got himself into prime shape, to the point where he has - for most of 2015 - played the full 80 for club and country. His battle with Ben Morgan for that eight shirt is great to see, but Billy's impact means that he is in whether starting or not.

VERDICT: IN


Anthony Watson (Bath)

Another player to benefit from a droolingly good year from the Bath backline, Watson is still raw but is a serious talent, as he showed in the Six Nations - he has the ability to bamboozle defenders with his feet and has serious gas, but his decision making sometimes lets him down, as he tries to do too much. But he didn't look out of place at all for England in the Six Nations, and his ability to cover full-back and his strength in the air means that he is a likely starter come that game against Fiji.

VERDICT: IN


Rob Webber (Bath)

I have to admit I was never the biggest fan of Rob Webber. But then he really impressed me on the tour to New Zealand. And then he had this season just gone, and I'm back to where I was before. He just doesn't look fit to me and, indeed, his lethargic attitude and occasional set-piece melt-down led to Ross Batty being preferred in the latter stages of the season for Bath. Yes, he has experience for England but, right now, he doesn't bring enough to the table to warrant selection.

VERDICT: OUT


Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens)

Part of me feels sorry for Wigglesworth, and it's not just for having a ridiculous surname. He's been in and around the England squad for years and years, but he has - in truth - never been first choice. But then I realised that is, in itself, a reflection of the Saracens' man's strengths - he may not split defences apart like Youngs, Care or Simpson, but he is reliable, quick to the breakdown and a superb tactician. He's the perfect scrum-half to have on the bench when you need to calm things down and, after a great season with Sarries, he's earned his spot.

VERDICT: IN


David Wilson (Bath)

Yikes this is a harsh call on big Dave. After Cole's injury, Wilson filled the tighthead shirt with enthusiasm and no shortage of quality - leading some to even question the Leicester man's chances of getting the three shirt back. But then the injury bug has turned it's attention to the Bath tighthead, and since his return he hasn't quite hit the heights of earlier in the season. He's a great player, no doubt about it, but I do like the added impact Brookes gives from the bench and that, for me, leaves no place for Wilson.

VERDICT: OUT


Tom Wood (Northampton Saints)


In some ways, it's been a disappointing year for Tom Wood. He's had his share of injuries, James Haskell took his England spot and, to be honest, he has been very quiet for Saints. And not "quiet but he's doing the unseen grunt work" quiet, he's been genuinely quiet. But Wood is the kind of player who performs better on the big stage and, although he has a battle to win his shirt back, his leadership, versatility and experience should see him into the squad.

VERDICT: IN



Marland Yarde (Harlequins)

I bet when Marland Yarde moved to Quins, he thought "Finally, I'm going to get lots of ball in lots of space and I'm really going to show everyone what I can do". Sorry mate, but Quins had a shocker of a year (although they went relatively un-slammed by the press) and that affected the ability of all the backs to impose themselves, especially Yarde. But his raw ability frightened the All Blacks last year and, yes, he is still a bit raw, but he has the physicality and pace to make a real impact at Test level, and I think he'll excel behind a strong England pack.

VERDICT: IN


Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)

Youngs junior deserves an awful lot of credit this year for how he's bounced back from a turgid 2013-14 season, where he was unfit and woefully out of form, to becoming arguably the best 9 in the Six Nations again. He still retains that eye for a gap, as he showed against France, but his kicking and passing have improved markedly and, having been given skipper duties for Leicester in Slater's absence, he is a key leader these days within the England squad. Frightening for someone who didn't realise humans had two lungs until a couple of years ago (@StuffBenSaid).

VERDICT: IN




Tom Youngs (Leicester Tigers)

You don't know the meaning of 'workrate' until you watch the human cube that is Tom Youngs play. With barrelling power on the carry and brutal aggression in defence, combined with a never-fading engine and serious mobility, you have pretty much the ultimate hooker. Ah, aside from the lineout throwing, of course. But he has been top-notch for Leicester again this year, and it only seems to be with England that there are issues - hopefully they can be ironed out pre-World Cup, because there is little doubt that, following Hartley's omission, Youngs is the first choice hooker.

VERDICT: IN


And there we have it, my England Rugby World Cup Squad:

Props:  Brookes, Cole, Corbisiero, Marler, M Vunipola

Hookers: Cowan-Dickie, George, T Youngs

Locks:  Attwood, Launchbury, Lawes, Parling

Back Row:  Haskell, Morgan, Robshaw, B Vunipola, Wood

Half-Backs: Cipriani, Farrell, Ford, Simpson, Wigglesworth, B Youngs

Centres:  Barritt, Burrell, Joseph

Wingers/Full Backs: Brown, Daly, Nowell, Watson, Yarde


Champions, all.

Friday 3 July 2015

England World Cup Training Squad - Who's Making the Cut? Part 1




Well, we may all be enjoying the summer, having a few beers, burning a few barbecues and, in my case, developing a truly spectacular 'wife-beater' vest tan-line, but on some small patch of grass there is a group of over 50 individuals working themselves into the ground for the chance to represent England at the World Cup. I could almost feel sorry for them, if this beer wasn't quite so delicious.


Now, this is only Part 1, since I realised that the article would be even more tedious than normal if I tried to fit a review of all 50 in, but in the meantime, here's my take on the As to Ks of the squad - and there's some bum-clenchingly tight calls in there, which I will probably change my mind on tomorrow. Especially Burrell or Eastmond. That's a tricky one.


Stay tuned for Part 2, if you have nothing better to do...


Chris Ashton (Saracens)


Ah Chris, you absolute jar of marmite of a man. Another cracking season for Sarries, sure, but the harsh truth is that he wasn't able to get into the starting line-up for the Premiership Final and, whenever we think he's performed well enough to get into the England squad, he goes and ballses it up again in a white shirt. I'm a fan of the Ash Splash, but he's had too many chances for me.


VERDICT: OUT


Dave Attwood (Bath)


'Dangerous' Dave Attwood (I don't think that is his real nickname - he can thank me later) started the season superbly for Bath - and for England, for that matter. But he looked lethargic for his club later on and those towering displays became less frequent as the season progressed. He'll need to put in a mighty shift during the camp to impress the coaches, but he is in the front seat to go as lock number 4.

VERDICT: IN


Brad Barritt (Saracens)

He's not very fashionable, is he, our Bradley? But there is no denying what he brings to the side - defensive discipline, aggression, physicality and a nose smeared over half of his face. And no real attacking threat. And yet he remains a player who coaches and fellow players love to have in and around the squad, because he's so committed. For me, though, he works well with creative players outside him and is a great 'physical 12' option, so I think the Saracens man has the form and attributes to merit a spot in the squad.

VERDICT: IN


Kieran Brookes (Newcastle Falcons)

I'm a big fan of the 'Fridge'. He's worked hard on his scrummaging all year and, despite looking like an Oceana doorman, he's in great shape for such a naturally big lad. What he has massively in his favour now is his physical impact in the loose, especially given that his set piece is no longer an issue. I suspect his selection in reality will come down to whether or not the coaches will take 5 or 6 props but, for me, Brookes gets the nod over Wilson as back-up tighthead because of his impact from the bench.

VERDICT: IN




Mike Brown (Harlequins)

If Brookes is the man working the door of Oceana, the Mike Brown looks like the kind of inebriated scallywag who will getting booted out. His character on the pitch is aggressive and niggly (although off the field, by all accounts, he is a charmer) but his performances on the field before taking a bang to the head were very impressive. He seemed to have rediscovered that ability to beat the first man, was solid under the high ball and - if he returns successfully from injury - the 15 shirt is his.

VERDICT: IN


Luther Burrell (Northampton Saints)

After a cracking breakthrough season, this one has been far from vintage for the Saints centre. There's no doubt he is a superb physical specimen and he is excellent at puffing his cheeks out when he runs, but beyond that I'm not convinced of his rugby brain or his defensive solidarity. He did pick his game up towards the end of the season though, and his promising combination with Jonathan Joseph should be enough to see him into the squad. Although, Eastmond will push him all the way...

VERDICT: IN


Sam Burgess (Bath)

Slammin' Sam is an interesting one. You get the impression that England want him to be a 12, but he's always looked pretty average there. At 6 though, he was starting to do some very real damage at the end of the season - getting his hands on the ball, carrying well, offloading and making some huge hits. That versatility might be attractive but a big negative for him is that he does not present a line-out option - and given the importance the coaches give to that, I don't think he'll make the final cut.

VERDICT: OUT

Danny Care (Harlequins)
If you'd have said a year ago that Danny Care would not be a shoe-in for the squad, I would have spat on your back. OK, that's a bit strong, but Care has regressed alarmingly this year - and the key aspect of it is his decision making. Gone are the lethal darts because he is not spotting the opportunities, and gone are so many chances, because he goes the wrong way off a ruck. Assuming Youngs and Wigglesworth are shoe-ins, do you pick the in-form Simpson as your electric third choice? I'd say yes.

VERDICT: OUT



Calum Clark (Northampton Saints)

The big flanker has enjoyed a successful season at Saints, but he's going to have to beat some pretty established names if he's to even get a sniff at getting into the squad. He's a physical presence and decent over the ball, but there are questions over his temperament and I don't think he really offers anything 'extra'.

VERDICT: OUT


Danny Cipriani (Sale)

Oh Danny, what have you done? After another eye-catching season with Sale and some very decent cameos with England, the ex-golden boy of England rugby looked a certainty to swan his way into the world cup squad. But after being arrested (but not charged) for drink-driving, is he going to fall foul of Lancaster's hammer of justice? Assuming that no news is good news on the legal front, I think he still has enough pizzazz to warrant a call up to the squad.

VERDICT: IN


Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers)

Probably the first name on the team-sheet these days and one of the very few English players to have a genuine claim for a place on the hypothetical World XV. Since his injury issues have subsided, the Leicester man has looked in superb form - dominating in the scrum, snaffling at the breakdown and also carrying with more energy than we have seen before. Assuming the summer sun hasn't melted his fair complexion, he's guaranteed a spot.

VERDICT: IN 



Alex Corbisiero (Northampton Saints)

Eesh, this is a tough one. Joe Marler is now first choice for England, there can be no doubting that - but (assuming the injury clears up) who fits in behind him in the pecking order is a bit of a head-scratcher. My inkling is to lean towards Mako Vunipola - his scrummaging has improved over the season and his impact remains just as impressive, whilst Corbs doesn't seem to be quite the force he once was. That said, I reckon there'll be 5 props in the squad, so his ability to play both sides should see him sneak in ahead of Matt Mullan.

VERDICT: IN



Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs)

Now we will put discussions of that extremely questionable mullet to one side for now and concentrate on his rugby ability - which, as has been noticed by most observers - is very, very promising. He is prone to the odd lineout wobble and he is, of course, very inexperienced, but he does seem to be moulded from the same material as Dylan Hartley (minus the occasional bout of brainlessness) and that aggression and enthusiasm he has I think could be beneficial and infectious to the squad. I'd like to see him go as third choice hooker.

VERDICT: IN


Elliot Daly (Wasps)

Ah, my wild card selection. I could do him a huge disservice and say it's just because of his ability to play 13, wing and full back, but that would be to ignore an electric season for the Wasps flyer. Like Joseph, he is blessed with quick feet and searing acceleration, and is a like-for-like replacement for JJ should something happen to the Bath man. Chuck in his displays against Toulon on the biggest club stage, his versatility and a siege gun boot (which he uses to regularly slot kicks from 50+ metres), Daly could prove to be a surprise package if he's given a shot.

VERDICT: IN




Lee Dickson (Northampton Saints)

I do feel a bit sorry for Lee Dickson. Like Barritt, he seems to be perennially underrated and unfashionable to anyone outside his club - and, to be fair, he does look like the kind of bloke who might go to Harry Potter conventions every other weekend. Unfortunately for him, his form this year hasn't hit the heights of previous seasons, and whilst he is a reliable man to have in the 9 shirt, he hasn't done enough to warrant a spot in the World Cup squad.


VERDICT: OUT


Nick Easter (Harlequins)

Big Nick has been on a rollercoaster of a journey since the 2011 'That's 20 grand down the toilet' incident, and despite continually coming across like a beefed-up Del Boy, Easter's contributions and hard work for Quins made him impossible to ignore. He's a man who's been there before and is a good character to have around the squad - but, with Morgan and Vunipola fit, is there a place for him? I don't think so.

VERDICT: OUT


Kyle Eastmond (Bath)

Don't overlook Eastmond's contribution to Bath's drool-inducing back-play this year - both Ford and Joseph credit him with the footwork and vision to make the space for others, and to scamper through gaps himself of course. England's coaches don't seem to trust him though and - perhaps understandably - like a meatier presence in that 12 shirt, which does seem to work for them. In my view, he deserves a spot in terms of ability, but may well miss out because he doesn't fit in with the game-plan.

VERDICT: OUT


Owen Farrell (Saracens)

Everything about Farrell's display in the Premiership Final highlighted why he should not be written off after a season blighted by injury, in which he lost the England 10 shirt to Ford. In the first half, especially, Farrell was tactically superb with the boot and flawless off the tee, as well as being an aggressive presence in defence. He handles pressure probably better than any other fly half in England and - for that reason - he has to go...even if not as first choice.

VERDICT: IN

George Ford (Bath)

The man who pinched Farrell's shirt was, in many people's eyes, Premiership player of the season. Despite being the size of a smurf, Ford's ability to take the ball to the line, disguise his passes and time them to perfection makes him one of the best attacking fly halves in World Rugby. He was shaky in the Premiership final, but his Bath pack were being battered - behind an English pack largely expected to dominate, Ford is the first choice without a doubt.

VERDICT: IN


Jamie George (Saracens)

One of the very few men who can legitimately say that they were grateful to receive a headbutt, the Saracens man makes the preliminary squad after Hartley's brainless bonce opened the door for a World Cup squad spot. His form at the end of the season certainly deserved it - and I'd take him without question as second choice hooker. As well as being a solid lineout operator, he strikes me as the new Steve Thompson; unnaturally mobile for someone who probably has a Krispy Kremes loyalty card.

VERDICT: IN




Alex Goode (Saracens)

Poor Alex joins Brad and Lee on the uncool list, even though his club form this year has been very eye-catching. He's solid under the high-ball and has a great boot on him, but still it's hard to see how he offers more threats than the other 15s in the squad. A mixed display against Ireland saw his international season limited to one appearance and, whilst I don't think his England career is over, I don't think his inclusion would bring the right qualities or balance to this squad.

VERDICT: OUT


James Haskell (Wasps)


You have to love the 'Brand' Haskell. Well, actually, you don't (in fact a fair few don't) but you know what you're going to get with the Wasps skipper - physicality, tireless work rate, improved breakdown technique and first-class 'bants'. Oh, and probably a shed load of dumb penalties, too. If only he could reign in that reckless streak just a smidge, then he'd be a nailed on starter. That said, he is still a must for the squad.

VERDICT: IN


Maro Itoje (Saracens)

What a season the youngster has had - I could be smug and boast that I predicted this. But I won't. Even though I did. The lock/blindside has that frightening combination of speed, athleticism and power, and his display in the Premiership final has shown he is ready to compete on the top stage. But is he ready for a World Cup? I don't think so. He seemed to go into his shell when the pressure was on against Clermont, but the ability to deal with pressure will come with experience. He's got a big future with England - just not now. But if he is selected, you will hear no complaints from me.

VERDICT: OUT


Jonathan Joseph (Bath)

Another nice, easy selection. With Manu out and 'thinking about what he has done', there can be no debate over the current occupier of the 13 shirt. The level of consistency he found this year was astounding - tearing up defences for club and country all through the year. With the electric feet he possesses, he will cause any side problems as long as he gets the ball in space. And that is England's challenge.

VERDICT: IN




George Kruis (Saracens)


Kruis falls into the bucket of talented locks that England have at their disposal, but I suspect he will be one of the unlucky ones when it comes to selection day. He was a solid and physical presence for England during the Six Nations and performed with a maturity beyond his years, but now the three first choice locks have returned, it's hard to see how he will retain his place.

VERDICT: OUT


Matt Kvesic (Gloucester)

Kvesic may look like your stereotypically stern (and quietly violent) P.E. teacher, but his technical knowledge of the breakdown goes beyond mindless rucking. The problem is that, after being deemed the heir apparent to the 7 shirt, Kvesic hasn't really hit the heights expected of him. With the other flankers available, I'm not sure that he's done enough to warrant selection - and I don't think he'll bring the right balance to the back row either.

VERDICT: OUT



So, my squad so far:

Props: Cole, Brookes, Corbisiero

Hookers: George, Cowan-Dickie

Locks: Attwood

Back row: Haskell

Half Backs: Ford, Farrell, Cipriani

Centres: Barritt, Joseph, Burrell

Wing/Fullbacks: Brown, Daly



Thoughts? Criticisms? Abuse?